LOST Episode 5×16 “The Incident” - Screencaps, Easter Eggs, Audio, & Analysis
May 13, 2009
Talk about an unbelievable episode to cap off another mind-blowing season of LOST. Absolutely loved this episode…sure most will agree. We may add some additional commentary to this post, so feel free to check back often. Call us and leave your thoughts on the episode at 920-626-6086. Here are a few initial thoughts:
- So, Jacob is real…and he has an adversary. My hunch is that their discussion at the beginning of the episode impacts the end game of the show. It was probably no accident that Jacob and his enemy were dressed in white and black, respectively. This contrast has been a theme on the show from the beginning. So let’s play theory of the day. What if…Jacob’s enemy is the smoke monster? Here are some things that could support it:
- The black attire would be a symbolic reference.
- We’ve seen that Smokey can take human form (Yemi), so it stands to reason that he could take over Locke’s body.
- If Smokey’s job is to judge, then it would make sense that he couldn’t kill Jacob if the judgement didn’t “authorize” it. From there, a “loophole” would be needed…such as tricking someone else into doing it (see “Locke” and Ben).
- Smokey could have even taken over Christian Shephard’s form when he told Frank and Sun to wait for John Locke. Why would he know Locke was coming unless it was going to be him having taken over Locke’s body.
- When Ben went to be judged, “Locke” and Smokey were never seen at the same time (at least I don’t believe so). Locke disappeared into the jungle and came back and magically knew that they had to go to the Temple because the island told him. Only after Locke left Ben alone in the temple did Smokey appear. How convenient, too, that Smokey (via Alex) told Ben to follow Locke’s every order and not even think about trying to kill him again. That would seem to begin to create the “loophole” needed for Jacob to be killed.
- Jumping back to Jacob and his enemy’s conversation, if you consider some of the dialog between Jacob and his enemy with the mindset that his enemy is a human incarnate of Smokey, it would seem to support what we know of Smokey. Here’s some dialog:
- Jacob: You’ll have to ask them when they get here.
- Enemy: I don’t have to ask. [pause] You brought them here.
- You could look at “I don’t have to ask” a couple different ways. You could just assume he doesn’t have to ask because he knows Jacob brought them. However, you could also look at it like he doesn’t have to ask because he can read their minds once they get there like we’ve seen Smokey do.
- More dialog:
- Enemy: Still trying to prove me wrong, aren’ you?
- Jacob: You are wrong.
- Enemy: Am I? They come, fight, they destroy, they corrupt. It always ends the same.
- The enemy is trying to pove a point that the any new island inhabitants will follow a predictable pattern that will end up resulting in their demise. If looked at from Smokey’s perspective, if your role is to be a “security system” of sorts for the island and judge people on it, you’re basically just used to this pattern that unfortunately keeps playing out the same way.
- Shifting gears away from Smokey a bit and onto Jacob, let’s focus on his response to his enemy:
- Jacob: If it only ends once, anything that happens before that is just progress.
- I believe Jacob is looking to end the cycle of people becoming evil, destructive, and corrupt. When Ben talks later in the episode about “all those lists” that he had been given by Jacob, perhaps these lists are the people that Jacob feels can break the cycle.
- I think Jacob now thinks that he has the right list of people to break that cycle with our Losties. I think the end game might be whether or not they can break this cycle and possibly save the world by virtue of it. When Jacob says, “They’re coming…” before he dies, he’s referring to our Losties, the ones he visited and made contact with (see my later comments on him literally touching them). Maybe this is what changes one of the factors in the Valenzetti equation. Maybe this is the forthcoming war: Good vs. Evil. Maybe this is their destiny.
- Switching gears, it was disappointing to not have Desmond, or Walt for that matter, in the finale.
- I loved Miles’ voice of reason that perhaps by behaving in a certain way you think is going to change the future, you end up creating that exact future. We’ll have to wait to find out if he was correct.
- What a heartbreaking seen with Sawyer and Juliet. I’m holding onto hope that perhaps if the Losties were sent back to 2007 when the bomb detonated, then Juliet may somehow survive <crosses fingers…and toes>. I heart Juliet.
- I took a great amount of sick pleasure in watching Phil get impaled, especially after grinning at Sawyer when he thought he was going to be able to shoot him (and obviously after hitting Juliet last week).
- What’s in the guitar case?
- It was great to see Rose and Bernard (and maybe even Vincent a little bit). I could see them being Adam and Eve, but based on Jack’s comments in Season 1 that he estimated the bodies were deteriorating for 40-50 years, then that estimate was high and Rose and Bernard probably would’ve had to have died shortly after 1977.
- Was the ship in the water the Black Rock? Sure looked like it. Based on the coversation between Jacob and his enemy, I’m not sure we’re going to get much more of a Black Rock story. I could be wrong, but it may just have been used to demonstrate that at some point in the past, another group of people showed up and they fought, destroyed, and became corrupt. We’ll see.
- Now let’s check out the statue. We’re pretty sure it’s Taweret, as was suggested as a possibility after LaFleur:
- To me, the most important comment of the episode was Richard’s revelation that he watched the Losties die back in 1977. This would indicate that we’ll find out next week whether or not whatever happened, happened or if free will wins out. If whatever happened, happened then we’re losing a significant portion of the cast (Jack, Kate, Hurley, and Jin).
- Yet another mention of Richard’s agelessness, this time by Ben. Ben also referred to Richard as an “advisor”. Many people have surmised that Richard was originally part of the Black Rock crew (if he’s not tied to the ancient Egyptian influences). We saw him working on what appeared to be a model of the Black Rock ship. Could this be a hint?
- Despite my objections, it appears that Ellie may be pregnant with Daniel in 1977. Widmore can be heard faintly discussing Ellie’s “condition” while he has his hand on her stomach. This would put Faraday at about 30 years old when he died, although he seamed a fair amount older than that, hence my objections.
- How did the island tell Locke exactly when to dispatch Richard to 2004 Locke? It was nice to see how Richard knew, but it’s even more of a mystery now regarding John’s “communion” with the island.
- When Radzinsky demanded that Sawyer draw a map, we couldn’t help but wonder if this would end up being an influence on the blast door map. Probably not a big deal.
- I was surprised to hear dissension from Richard regarding Locke (”I’m starting to think John Locke is going to be trouble.”), especially to Ben. Richard was influential in getting John in place and ousting Ben. WTF?
- Are we finally going to get some insight into Jacob? It sure would seem so based on Locke’s mission to take everyone to Jacob and then kill him. So why does Locke now feel the need to kill Jacob? Did the island tell him to do that? If so, why?
- It looks like we can begin to piece things together regarding Hawking and Widmore’s “supervision” of Desmond (and Faraday for that matter). Assuming they were given a “download” of information from either Farday’s notebook or some of the Losties (perhaps in exchange for getting the Losties back to 2007), it makes sense that they would steer him through life to make sure that he eventually ended up on the island. This presumes that they know much of what is going to happen and they want it to happen and that they believe in free will. Otherwise, perhaps they’d just fall into the ‘whatever happened, happened’ camp. Widmore also spoke of having to “sacrifice” his relathionship with Penny, which tells me he had to do that to keep the intended path moving forward. Also, I always thought Hawking believed in free will after she freaked out on Desmond in 3×08 Flashes Before Your Eyes when he wants the ring. It’s either that or she’s been told that Desmond is uniquely and miraculously special, which brings me to…
- How does Farady know that the rules don’t apply to Desmond? Was it their conversation over the radio in 4×05 The Constant and the fallout from the Failsafe Key? Plus, does he now believe that everyone has a similar ability to exercise free will like he seemed to be stating upon his return to the island?
- Learning of how Widmore (through Hawking) had all of this future information in the past and how it seems he used it to shape how he acted in the future makes me really wonder if he’s really a bad guy or if he’s really just kind of stuck with having to carry out the master plan to get us to some future result.
- So, Widmore is Faraday’s father after all, which in turn makes Daniel and Penny half siblings. We speculated about that after 5×03 Jughead and ran a poll about it. 56% of almost 2500 respondents thought Widmore was NOT Faraday’s father. This has been one of the few times when the popular opinion has been wrong.
- I loved Faraday outing Miles as Chang’s kid. Hopefully it will spur them on to future conversations.
- Hawking told Desmond in 5×06 316 that the island wasn’t done with him yet. If she’s truly at the point where she now doesn’t know what’s going to happen in the future (as she told Penny), then how did she know this?
- Faraday getting killed sucked, especially when you realized it was by his own mother.
- We should probably assume Farady is older than 30 in 2007 just based on his looks, but wouldn’t it be interesting if Widmore and Hawking chose to have Daniel only after having seen him in 1977.
- So if Faraday kicked the bucket, then who was the mysterious voice we heard behind the camera in the Comic-Con video where Chang is making his plea for the re-constitution of the DHARMA Initiative (thanks Aaron for the heads up)? It wouldn’t seem that they would’ve had time to film it together. Perhaps Miles gave him the information, but it doesn’t seem to be Miles’ voice (he calls him Pierre as well, which Miles wouldn’t do).
- Recalling that Miles said he was from Reseda, I was waiting for young Miles to stumble upon Mr. Miyagi fixing Daniel LaRusso’s bike at the apartment complex. For those of you who don’t know what the hell I’m talking about, you’ll have to brush up on your Karate Kid trivia.
- After getting a taste of the Miles and Hurley pairing in Whatever Happened, Happened, I really enjoyed the pairing in this episode. Their discussions generated most of the Get Lost COW (clip of the week) nominees. Pretty funny stuff.
- I can’t take the phrase “circle of trust” seriously after Meet the Parents.
- The abundance of Star Wars references, all the way up to the episode title, were brilliant. The writers must have been sucking up to Damon.
- It was no surprise that Miles was Pierre Chang’s son. Back after 5×04 The Little Prince we had a poll asking whether or not you thought that Chang was Miles’ father and over 90% of voters said yes.
- It was funny watching Hurley squirm just a bit when one of the Swan builders was reading off the numbers.
- We were treated to a new bit of intrigue last week with Ilana’s “What lies in the shadow of the statue?” question. We saw in this episode that the goon who was with her on the beach, Bram, tried to redirect Miles from joining Widmore’s science team and asked Miles that same question. It’s also noteworthy that this exchange took place back in 2004, so this new team has been in place for some time now. Bram also hints at this “war” that we’ve heard about and that he believes Miles in going to be on the wrong team. So, whose team is Bram on? Vote below in our poll. Popular choices include DHARMA and Ben. DHARMA seems to make sense, but who knows.
- I have a suspicion that Chang didn’t abandon or discard Miles and his mother like his mother made it sound. Instead, I think getting them off the island will be some sort of precautionary measure to keep them safe. I don’t have much of a basis for this other than a hunch predicated on the way Chang reacted to and played with baby Miles as older Miles looked on from a distance.
- Once again, we got a not so subtle hint about the Egyptian influences on the island. The chalkboard in the classroom was littered with history on Egyptian language. My guess is that we’ll continue to get more Egyptian tie-ins yet this season.
- Kate is an idiot for the way she handled Roger Linus. I’m not sure what part of laying low she doesn’t understand. Sigh…
- News flash: Juliet is still hot.
- LaFleur and our other Losties just might be screwed at this point after Phil saw the security tape and LaFleur subsequently knocked him out. Will LaFleur be able to work his con man magic or is the cover finally blown?
- Once I heard there were scientists from Ann Arbor coming in on the sub, I was a bit disappointed when it wasn’t the DeGroots. Don’t get me wrong, I love Daniel, but it would’ve been great to finally get an “in person” look at the DeGroots.
Sobek may be another possibility…
Or at least someone is pretty convinced that’s who it is (this LOST episode is referenced in the Wikipedia entry).
(thanks to Wikipedia for the image)
Click the thumbnail below for a better look at the statue:
Something we noticed about Jacob’s visits was that he always seemed to touch those that he visited. In some cases, the camera made it very obvious that this was happening. It made us think that somehow by touching these people, Jacob was making some sort of connection that would draw them to the island. Jacob’s rival also made a statement early in the episode regarding how he thought Jacob brought the Black Rock folks there (”You brought them here.”). Take a look at pics from each of the visits that Jacob makes and see for yourself:
Here are a few more “Easter Eggs” from the episode (use the arrow keys to scroll between pictures):
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LOST Episode 5×15 “Follow the Leader” - Screencaps, Easter Eggs, Audio, & Analysis
May 6, 2009
Clearly a set up episode this week, but a good episode nonetheless. A heavy dose of Richard Alpert is always a good thing, especially in both timelines 30 years apart. Leave your thoughts at 920-626-6086. Now on to our thoughts:
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LOST Episode 5×14 “The Variable” - Screencaps, Easter Eggs, Audio, & Analysis
April 29, 2009
As expected, fantastic episode. A lot to ponder. Eric brought up a great point that it’s actually kind of devastating watching it through a second time when you think of the 30 years of heartbreak that Eloise and (probably to a lesser extent) Widmore had to go through knowing they were marching their son toward his death. Leave us your thoughts at 920-626-6086 for inclusion in the podcast. On to our thoughts:
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LOST Episode 5×13 “Some Like it Hoth” - Screencaps, Easter Eggs, Audio, & Analysis
April 15, 2009
Good episode tonight. Nothing too earth shattering, but it was nice to finally fill in Miles’ storyline. We also enjoyed the banter between Miles and Hurley. Leave us your thoughts at 920-626-6086 for inclusion in the podcast. On to our thoughts:
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