LOST Episode 5×16 “The Incident” - Screencaps, Easter Eggs, Audio, & Analysis
May 13, 2009 by Eric
Talk about an unbelievable episode to cap off another mind-blowing season of LOST. Absolutely loved this episode…sure most will agree. We may add some additional commentary to this post, so feel free to check back often. Call us and leave your thoughts on the episode at 920-626-6086. Here are a few initial thoughts:
- So, Jacob is real…and he has an adversary. My hunch is that their discussion at the beginning of the episode impacts the end game of the show. It was probably no accident that Jacob and his enemy were dressed in white and black, respectively. This contrast has been a theme on the show from the beginning. So let’s play theory of the day. What if…Jacob’s enemy is the smoke monster? Here are some things that could support it:
- The black attire would be a symbolic reference.
- We’ve seen that Smokey can take human form (Yemi), so it stands to reason that he could take over Locke’s body.
- If Smokey’s job is to judge, then it would make sense that he couldn’t kill Jacob if the judgement didn’t “authorize” it. From there, a “loophole” would be needed…such as tricking someone else into doing it (see “Locke” and Ben).
- Smokey could have even taken over Christian Shephard’s form when he told Frank and Sun to wait for John Locke. Why would he know Locke was coming unless it was going to be him having taken over Locke’s body.
- When Ben went to be judged, “Locke” and Smokey were never seen at the same time (at least I don’t believe so). Locke disappeared into the jungle and came back and magically knew that they had to go to the Temple because the island told him. Only after Locke left Ben alone in the temple did Smokey appear. How convenient, too, that Smokey (via Alex) told Ben to follow Locke’s every order and not even think about trying to kill him again. That would seem to begin to create the “loophole” needed for Jacob to be killed.
- Jumping back to Jacob and his enemy’s conversation, if you consider some of the dialog between Jacob and his enemy with the mindset that his enemy is a human incarnate of Smokey, it would seem to support what we know of Smokey. Here’s some dialog:
- Jacob: You’ll have to ask them when they get here.
- Enemy: I don’t have to ask. [pause] You brought them here.
- You could look at “I don’t have to ask” a couple different ways. You could just assume he doesn’t have to ask because he knows Jacob brought them. However, you could also look at it like he doesn’t have to ask because he can read their minds once they get there like we’ve seen Smokey do.
- More dialog:
- Enemy: Still trying to prove me wrong, aren’ you?
- Jacob: You are wrong.
- Enemy: Am I? They come, fight, they destroy, they corrupt. It always ends the same.
- The enemy is trying to pove a point that the any new island inhabitants will follow a predictable pattern that will end up resulting in their demise. If looked at from Smokey’s perspective, if your role is to be a “security system” of sorts for the island and judge people on it, you’re basically just used to this pattern that unfortunately keeps playing out the same way.
- Shifting gears away from Smokey a bit and onto Jacob, let’s focus on his response to his enemy:
- Jacob: If it only ends once, anything that happens before that is just progress.
- I believe Jacob is looking to end the cycle of people becoming evil, destructive, and corrupt. When Ben talks later in the episode about “all those lists” that he had been given by Jacob, perhaps these lists are the people that Jacob feels can break the cycle.
- I think Jacob now thinks that he has the right list of people to break that cycle with our Losties. I think the end game might be whether or not they can break this cycle and possibly save the world by virtue of it. When Jacob says, “They’re coming…” before he dies, he’s referring to our Losties, the ones he visited and made contact with (see my later comments on him literally touching them). Maybe this is what changes one of the factors in the Valenzetti equation. Maybe this is the forthcoming war: Good vs. Evil. Maybe this is their destiny.
- Switching gears, it was disappointing to not have Desmond, or Walt for that matter, in the finale.
- I loved Miles’ voice of reason that perhaps by behaving in a certain way you think is going to change the future, you end up creating that exact future. We’ll have to wait to find out if he was correct.
- What a heartbreaking seen with Sawyer and Juliet. I’m holding onto hope that perhaps if the Losties were sent back to 2007 when the bomb detonated, then Juliet may somehow survive <crosses fingers…and toes>. I heart Juliet.
- I took a great amount of sick pleasure in watching Phil get impaled, especially after grinning at Sawyer when he thought he was going to be able to shoot him (and obviously after hitting Juliet last week).
- What’s in the guitar case?
- It was great to see Rose and Bernard (and maybe even Vincent a little bit). I could see them being Adam and Eve, but based on Jack’s comments in Season 1 that he estimated the bodies were deteriorating for 40-50 years, then that estimate was high and Rose and Bernard probably would’ve had to have died shortly after 1977.
- Was the ship in the water the Black Rock? Sure looked like it. Based on the coversation between Jacob and his enemy, I’m not sure we’re going to get much more of a Black Rock story. I could be wrong, but it may just have been used to demonstrate that at some point in the past, another group of people showed up and they fought, destroyed, and became corrupt. We’ll see.
- Now let’s check out the statue. We’re pretty sure it’s Taweret, as was suggested as a possibility after LaFleur:
Sobek may be another possibility…
Or at least someone is pretty convinced that’s who it is (this LOST episode is referenced in the Wikipedia entry).
(thanks to Wikipedia for the image)
Click the thumbnail below for a better look at the statue:
Something we noticed about Jacob’s visits was that he always seemed to touch those that he visited. In some cases, the camera made it very obvious that this was happening. It made us think that somehow by touching these people, Jacob was making some sort of connection that would draw them to the island. Jacob’s rival also made a statement early in the episode regarding how he thought Jacob brought the Black Rock folks there (”You brought them here.”). Take a look at pics from each of the visits that Jacob makes and see for yourself:
Here are a few more “Easter Eggs” from the episode (use the arrow keys to scroll between pictures):
Read what Jacob reads:
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HQ Screencaps Galore (use the arrow keys to scroll between pictures):
Oh my Jacob what a great episode!! My ONLY complaint is what about Claire? Not even a glimpse? I thought for sure Sun and Jin would meet up too. I can’t possibly imagine what 2010 will bring.
Why isn’t anyone suggesting that LOST has something to do with Greek Methology? There are many references to wandering islands, black clouds and infertility. I believe that LOST is a twist on the GODs.
funny the mention of greek gods, because I was like im sure the apollo bar isnt just named that for any reason. looked this up “Apollo has been variously recognized as a god of light and the sun; truth and prophecy; archery; medicine and healing; music, poetry, and the arts; and more.”
kind of sounds like Jacob,, the healer, weaving his art at the beginning of the incident. the good guy of light and truth.
and as far as the Black Rock, I recall the lost webisodes said something about it being Magnus Hanso great great grandfather of Alvar Hanso.
I love how this show created a story line with so many nuances that would cause fans to go back and research and find little clues here and there. similar to the polar bears being delivered to the island revealed in that neon map in desmond’s hatch long before the episode in (??) season 5.
great show. im gonna be so bummed when its over.
Jacob wore white and the “other” guy wore black… Good versus evil? They have equal powers? Is that why the “other” guy can’t kill Jacob? Has he been impersonating Christian and Claire on the island all this time, just like Locke now?
Wonderful episode but it kills me to wait so long for the rest!!! Cruel!!
I think Jacob and his enemy are physical manifestations of the themes of Lost: Free Will v. Determinism. Jacob represents Free Will. He gives people a choice. His enemy represents Determinism. In the beginning of this epsiode Jacob’s Enemy says “they come, they fight, they corrupt…it always ends the same.” Whereas Jacob is usually seen giving people a choice.
At the end, when Jacob’s Enemy kills Jacob and thinks he’s finally won, Jacob’s people, the Losties, detonate the bomb and undo any victory Jacob’s Enemy might have had. Jacob directed people to the Island but he always gave them a choice. Jacob’s Enemy manipulated people along pre-determined paths.
wow what an episode! They never fail to freak me out and keep it so interesting. This si going to be a LONG 8 months.
I thought Bernard and Rose would be living at the CAVE!! hehe.
Anyone notice the Juliette blood continuity issue? My wife got really excited and replayed the shot. Juliette has a mouthful of blood in one shot and then immediately doesn’t….oops.
Where’s the screencap of Jack getting hit in the head with the toolbox? That was my favorite scene. hate that guy.
In the Old Testament, Jacob’s brother was Esau. Definitely noticed they were wearing black and white (good job Nina!)
The relationship between Jacob and the MIB is exactly that between God and the Adversary (sometimes called Satan) in Job. In the latter, God points to Job as an example of virtue, and the Adversary claims that Job is virtuous only because his life has turned out so well. He says that if God allowed him to make Job miserable, Job would eventually curse God. God agrees to this wager, and succeeds in torturing Job to the point where he does lose faith. In the Biblical story, what’s interesting is that each, God and the Adversary, are trying to prove something TO ONE ANOTHER, and are willing to cause or permit a massive amount of human suffering in order to do so.
Taweret is the statue
Did ANYONE notice what Richard’s answer to the question was? Or what language he was speaking at least? I thought there’d be more discussion around that.
I have read a few placed Richard’S answer to the riddle is in Latin and in means “One who will save us all” or to that effect. Pretty god damn cool.
The statue, Sobek’s mother was Neith on her wikipedia page it says she was also known as the goddess of weaving…”As the goddess of creation and weaving, she was said to reweave the world on her loom daily.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neith
Jacob also was weaving a tapestry on a loom at the beginning, and at the end he said, referring to the tapestry…”Do you like it, I made it myself, it takes a very long time when your making the thread, but i guess that’s the point”
Was that a red herring Jacob caught and ate at the beginning?
Also, Juliet was wearing a ‘red shirt’ the whole time.
Are we 100% certain the statue is Taweret? Check out Sobek, the Egyptian crocodile God. Note the spot-on connections to the statue AND the lore!!
Taweret makes sense– If it is the god of fertility, at some point it gets partially destroyed and the women of the island cannot carry babies to term.
Sobek has connections to fertility too. And the the statue is truely spot on to how Sobek was ddepicted, down the the ahnk in the right hand even.
Pretty much all egyptian gods are involved with fertility - it was the main principle of the whole religion.
YOU are totally right it has to be Sobek! This god had relation to “water” (island- hello!) AND FERTILITY good job!
I don’t want to rain on everyone’s parade, but the Egyptian statue is of the goddess Taweret. How do I know you ask? I read it from the horses mount. See for yourself!
Here’s an excerpt from the Lost episode recaps on ABC’s website.
“The camera pulls back over the ocean, and we see they were sitting on the base of a giant stone foot. And next to the foot is another foot — and both feet have four toes. And as the camera pulls back, we see what we’ve been waiting to see since we first glimpsed that four-toed foot over three years ago… the towering, majestic statue of the Egyptian goddess Taweret.”
Here’s the link:
http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/index?pn=recap#t=162212&d=201648
I still want to know who Juliet shot on the boat when they were time skipping….. I thought we might find out last night… and the statue looks a lot like sobek, just look at the teeth in the screen caps
potentially it is similar to some brilliant kevin smith work… Dogma. Fallen Angels, finding a loophole.
Another thing involving Smokey vs. Jacob. Jacob represents free will. He keeps telling the Losties that they have a choice. He tells this to Hurley explicitly and to Ben at the end (I don’t remember the scenes involving Jacob and the other main characters though). The smoke monster represents the opposite, fate/destiny. I don’t know about the man in black at the beginning being Smokey, but I agree he may be somehow linked to the smoke monster and why it is there on the island.
aah, just realized Grigori posted something along the same lines earlier. Oops.
That’s OK. I think it’s fairly obvious. Jacob is always giving people a choice. His Enemy just manipulates people and dead things. Jacob seems more optimistic about humanity and his Enemy is pessimistic. A yin/yang kind of thing. It could be that they cannot exist without one another.
did anyone realize that the sounds the drill made when falling into the hole sounded just like smokey sounds when it is dragging someone or killing someone or stomping through the jungle?
fizzgig says:
May 14, 2009 at 3:16 pm
did anyone realize that the sounds the drill made when falling into the hole sounded just like smokey sounds when it is dragging someone or killing someone or stomping through the jungle?
EXACTLY what I thought as well - the sounds were IDENTICAL.
YES! I yelled “smokey” because I thought he was coming up out of the hole!
“Ok i think i figured out what Jacob’s counterpart’s name is… it sounded like it was Comrick? then i figured it’s probably Conrick or Conrich
But after searching a bit i think it may be Comraich
Comraich is defined:
protection, sanctuary, Irish cómairce, comruighe, Early Irish comairche, Middle Irish comairce; from the root arc, defend, as in teasairg, q.v.
key word protection as in security…
as in the cloud monster which may be a form that he takes.”
““Ok i think i figured out what Jacob’s counterpart’s name is… it sounded like it was Comrick? then i figured it’s probably Conrick or Conrich”
no name was told, don’t know what you’ve heard there.
Yeah seriously, even if he thinks he heard a name, he could at least try the Closed Captioning to verify rather than guess, nonetheless he is wrong and there was no name given, and I’ve seen this episode more than once so far since last night.
Did anybody notice that Juliette’s house as a young child was way to modern and didn’t fit the time frame. She seems to be one of the older losties to me and the design didn’t fit her childhood area.
“Kevin says:
May 14, 2009 at 4:19 pm
Did anybody notice that Juliette’s house as a young child was way to modern and didn’t fit the time frame. She seems to be one of the older losties to me and the design didn’t fit her childhood area.”
I totally agree. This scene really stood out to me and I am not one to nitpick, which leads me to believe there’s something significant about it. I know the propmaster and costume designer on the show are meticulous when it comes to their jobs, so the choice of decor for home and the Juliet’s family, especially the parents, strikes me as odd. The living room looks like a page torn from an Ikea or Potter Barn catalog from withhin the last 5 years and Juliet’s father’s outfit (v-neck sweater over white t-shirt) screams present day.
However, I don’t know what to make of it…Perhaps it fits into the repercussions the events of the last season had on time???
It was the only flashback scene without Jacob. That’s the significance.
I think Season 6 will be without Juliet.
The episode was good but the ending when they cut to white background and black letters was a bit Soprano like.
I think what it means that good will over take evil in season 6…the last season!! white vs black…..
Sux Juliet died but I dont think she is dead.
Juliet is by far one of the best female characters on the show period.
I dont think Jack meant Kate when he said,
” I had her and I lost her” . I think he meant Claire.
He had his sister and lost her thus, rebooting the island will reunite them but what if both loose their
memories of their past lives on the island??
Damn it.
Great………….. have to wait til 2010
Where did Hurley,Jin and Miles go when Kate tried to pull out Juliet out of the energy sink hole?!?!?
no, it was clearly specified that he was talking about kate. sawyer even said, “you mean kate? hell, she’s right over there. if you want her back, go ask her,” to which jack replied, “it’s too late for that.”
I dont think it was about Kate and def not Claire.., i think it was about his wife. I think he wants to go back and try and get his wife back.. because if he detonates the bomb and things go as if they landed in LA he would have never met kate-so that doesnt really apply.
In a couple seasons’ ago, why did we see Jin off the Island, buying a bear for a baby, which wasn’t his baby?? Any thoughts on this?
And, where are ALL of the other original passengers?? Did they die from the time shifts??
Finally, what about the passengers who were captured in Season 1 (or 2)? Remember, the 2 kids and the flight attendant? Where are they?
ksliasophia,
Jin was buying the stuffed bear on behalf of Mr. Paik as a present for one of his clients or customers. It was purely something done to appease his boss, although we were led to believe he was getting it for Ji Yeon at first. Then they reveal Jin’s story and Sun’s story are two different stories. Classic Lost twist.
As for the 815 survivors captured by the Others, they’re probably at the Temple, where Richard said the rest of his people were who weren’t at the beach encampment when “Locke” showed up. I don’t think any other castaways besides these and the ones we’re following have survived all the threats from Others, mercenaries, and freighter explosions. Of the 48 they started with, it’s basically just the Oceanic 6, Jin, Sawyer and Locke (and Rose and Bernard and Vincent) left.
Sorry - I asked that wrong. Where does Jin’s story-line fit? We were lead to believe that he was one of the 6 who got off the island (before the 6 were finally revealed). Is this a flashback/flashforward/back to the future….??? We have to see why this story was relevant and it’s killing me
At the end of the episodes, when Juliet made the bomb go BOOM! Why did they made a white background instead of the classic black background?
I came with 3 possibilities :
1- The explosion just made everything goes white and BOOM!
2- Juliet dead is represented by this white screen (hope not!)
3-A new time period just happenned?…Well in this season when they shifted form time to time, everything was always bright white and then they got to another time…Maybe this is why it end on a white background?
Anyone?
I wondered about the white light at the very end. Did the bomb really detonate or did they “time travel”? And, as some one else has said, I believe it is important for us to know what Richard’s replay to the question about the shadow of the statue was.
Also, our TV screen had weather warnings across the bottom when Jacob visited Ilana in the hospital and I couldn’t read the transaltion of their exchange. Please fill in this info for me!
ONe final thought, Jacob triumphed over his brother Esau byt tricking their father to recieve the birthrite. Jacob left because it was feared that Esau would kill him. Eventually they make peace but not after Jacob wrestles in a near death combat that leaves him wounded. Just an interesting comparison, I think. Any comments?
Jacob asked Ilana to help him, and she said she would. I hate technical problems! You know you can always go to abc.com to rewatch it!
What I’m wondering is just how she is going to help him? Will she take over his roll? Help resurrect him? We have a long long time to wonder. . .
I don’t get why so many people think the bomb changed anything. The episode was called “The Incident”, and as we all know this incident lead to the code-typing in the Swan Station and nothing else… like Dr. Candle told us in S2 in the orientation film. Nothing special happened when Juliet detonated the bomb, she just did what always was done.
I don’t think the H Bomb was the incident. I think releasing the energy when they drilled was the incident. Juliet and the rest of them were never there before. This is their present. They are trying to detonate the H Bomb to counteract the energy and prevent their plane from ever crashing.
If a nuclear bomb were detonated, the whole island would go up in smoke and be rendered uninhabitable. No hatch would be built, because nothing would happen on the island, at all. So flight 815 wouldn’t crash, at least in this timeline.
The whole idea of the H-bomb destroying the island just doesn’t fit with the story line, as I see it. I hope this is NOT the case-what would LOST be without the island, which is really the central character of the series?
I was just checking the screencap of the candy machine and two names jumped out - Hume and Linus are on either side of the Apollo bar. Granted they are not exact but they certainly are designed to imply these names.
If you think the status is Taweret then Apep must be part of the storyline. The two are not exactly separable in egyptian mythology.
In the screencap where you see Jacob sitting and his adversary walking towards him, doesn’t it look like there’s another statue in the back? At first I thougt it was the first statue, but when the scene pans out you can see that Jacob is sitting right next to that statue. What do you think?
The relationship between Jacob and the MIB is exactly that between God and the Adversary (sometimes called Satan) in Job. In the latter, God points to Job as an example of virtue, and the Adversary claims that Job is virtuous only because his life has turned out so well. He says that if God allowed him to make Job miserable, Job would eventually curse God. God agrees to this wager, and succeeds in torturing Job to the point where he does lose faith. In the Biblical story, what’s interesting is that each, God and the Adversary, are trying to prove something TO ONE ANOTHER, and are willing to cause or permit a massive amount of human suffering in order to do so.
Going off of the whole evil-guy-is-the-smoke-monster idea, I think this is true. And I believe that the man we saw at the beginning of the episode is only a human vehicle for the “smoke monster” or whatever evil being the smoke monster represents. I believe this same thing to be true about Jacob; “Jacob” isn’t actually the man we saw on the screen. That’s just his usual human body that the spirit resides in (see below for more details).
I also found it interest, based on that theory, that all of the bodies the smoke monster inhabited were bodies from the island (that died on the island or could be found on the island; i.e., Yemi, Alex, Locke, etc. ) Perhaps the smoke monster/evil entity can only inhabit vacant bodies in the vicinity.
In addition, looking back on the episode where Eko was killed by the smoke monster, there was a scene toward the end where Eko’s brother, Yemi, confronted him in a beautiful valley and asked if Eko was sorry for his sins. After Eko refused to repent, the smoke monster killed him. I believe that “Jacob” was presenting himself in the form of Yemi, offering Eko forgiveness, and when Eko turned him down, the smoke monster appeared.
Perhaps all of the dead people we’ve seen walking around haven’t all been inhabited by the smoke monster/evil guy. Perhaps some have actually been Jacob. Any thoughts?
Once Esau/MIB/Determinism as Yemi realized that Mr.Eko was not ashamed of his choices in life, that Mr.Eko had not guilt Yemi realized that he could not manipulate him to kill Jacob. Yemi tells Eko directly after confession “Why do you talk to me as if I were your brother?” Hence, Mr.Eko is murdered because of his resolute pride in his choices and life. Where as Ben felt guilt for the loss of his “adopted” daughter and could be manipulated to kill Jacob.
I assume the show will end with two of our characters taking the roles of Jacob and Easu/MIB.
Time will teill.
I was impressed upon first watching of the episode that Jacob was in white, and other guy in black. However, after looking at your (wonderful) screencaps above, I noticed that Jacob is actually dressed in BLACK and WHITE. White shirt, black pants.
In the first scene on the beach, did anyone notice that Jacob and the other guy spoke with a very current American accent ?
My first though was that maybe both of them were from the future or today? And that somehow they were trapped in time or had experienced a white flash causing them to travel very far back in time. Maybe the loophole is what will set them free from being trapped in infinity. Also, who do they answer to? As Ben points out, everyone answers to someone…
Not sure about the accents, either - but you make a very good point that Ben’s statement that we all answer to someone is revealing! (I can’t wait until 2010-too long!)
I don’t know how plausible this is, but I’m HOPING that the plot twist in the endgame will involve a re-evaluation of who is good and who is evil. Superficially, it seems we’re being led to a very Christian/Manichean message, about free will, grace, and an absolute conflict between good and evil in which one is judged on the basis of whose side one is on, and redeemed if you’re on the right side and condemned if you’re on the wrong side. I’d be very disappointed if this turns out to be the way things really are. I’m hoping that Bernard’s message turns out to have more pull: that trying to change the world into what you believe it SHOULD be is vanity and in fact the cause of most evil; it’s better to try to love and nurture those around you on a humanly manageable scale.
I suspect that to make sense of the Biblical allusions we have to adopt a GNOSTIC interpretation of the Old Testament myths. According to the Gnostics, the God of the OT is an imposter. He’s not really all-knowing and all-powerful, which explains why the world he created is imperfect. His main aim is to prevent his Creatures (humanity) from discovering that he is a false god. In this interpretation, the serpent in the Garden of Eden is the one who speaks the real truth, as “God” was clearly lying when he told Adam and Eve that they would die if they are the fruit of the tree of knowledge. The message of the gnostics was, be skeptical of doctrine and ritual; you’ll be saved if at all by your own efforts based on your own experience….
Btw, on Flannery O’Connor I think the point here is that she is an emphatically Christian writer whose theme is human baseness and corruption and God’s freely-given and absolutely unearned grace as the only way out. She’s especially adept at pointing to the paradox of religion as a major expression of corruption and stupidity (e.g., “Wise Blood”).
Excellent point and good catch! The reading material throught LOST has been very key to discovering the secrets that are “lost”.
Though I am longing for answers especially after THIS season finale, I will be terribly sad to see LOST enter it’s last season. I’m sure this is a series for the ages and I know that we will watch it over and over, gaining more insight every time we watch it!
guitar in taxi = charlie’s guitar
“What a heartbreaking seen with Sawyer and Juliet. I’m holding onto hope that perhaps if the Losties were sent back to 2007 when the bomb detonated, then Juliet may somehow survive . I heart Juliet.”
scene, not seen
It definitely is Taweret. ABC confirmed it in there recap of the episode.
Perhaps the H-BOMB is what destroys the statue and leaves only the foot. This would be bad news for losties as it means the H-Bomb had gone off before.
Picture of statue found in cabin torn from Jacob’s tapestry?
When Ben enters the statue with “Locke” and looks at the tapestry, the bottom left corner is torn off. This looks like it could be the piece of fabric found by Ilana in the cabin - it was pinned to the wall by a blade, depicting the statue Tawaret, indicating the location of where she and her team should go next.
Good catch on the torn fabric and the missing corner. Any ideas of the “who and when” the fabric piece was left at the the cabin? Wondering if the blade is significant also-remeber how Locke initially had a set of blades when he was first stranded and his afinity for also caring them?
It can’t be tawaret. She is always depicted and described to have the body of a lion, back and tail of a crocodile and the head of a hippopotamus as well as always being pregnant. It has to be Sobek, I’m still struggling with the definitive relationship to Lost!?!?
It seemed that Jacob was very comfortable traveling off the island in other time periods and that the “other” character/”smoke monster”?/ is not able to do that. This could explain that Jack was visited off the island by “Christian” and that Kate was visitied by Claire and Hurley bu Charlie and Ecko; if we go with the idea that both Jacob and the other guy(smokie) can appear as another individual/body. We can also confirm that all the other bodies inhabited by them were in fact dead and corpses on the island EXCEPT for Claire. So what does that mean for/about Claire?
Everybody as I are going for the black and white idea.But what nobodys noticed is that Jacob may have on a white shirt, but he is also wearing BLACK pants.So dont make him the good guy yet.Also,I know this sounds dumb now that we have better photos.But I always thought four toe looked kinda like juliet from the back.Would it be very cool if we see the original thing or person that it was made for next season.Than the camera goes right up to that person as they take off a mask and it is juliet.
Why even call yourselves a podcast? It’s been two weeks since the Finale, but you haven’t posted a podcast yet. I bet you’ll get around to it in a month or so. Hope your T-shirts are selling well, with you guys sucking and not getting anything out on time.
The comments about H-bombs blowing up the whole island are not quite right… Sayid & Jack remove only the primary core of the H-bomb and leave the secondary behind…. the primary core is simply there to set off the secondary (which is the *massive* bang). The size of a primary is limited as in the device shown (a ‘gun’ type device) one bit of uranium is fired towards another (both of which cannot be larger than the critical mass). It would therefore only have the power of a Hiroshima A-bomb, rather than those massive H-bombs that blew up whole pacific islands (an A-bomb is about 1000 times smaller than an H bomb.. just maybe a bit of the island destroyed then, rather than the whole thing
This does go against Daniel mentioning that he is going to blow up the swan with a ‘thermonuclear’ device, as this only refers to an H-bomb.
Damn good comments though to shed light on this TV gold.
Ok, and another thing that i dunno if it is just a mistake or is intentional…. in one of the last 5 (maybe 6 - not the last two thought (I think)) episodes (dunno which, have just watched them all), someone (forget who… U go look it up!) mentioned that when Ben (or it may have been Locke) “turned that wheel”…. how would anyone other than Ben or Locke know about the wheel… it was down a rather big hole… unless they have been having conversations off screen (which I doubt) they would have never known that this is how the island was moved.
I haven’t seen this mentioned anywhere else… so your thoughts?
Wow, Shawnzo’s comment is really nice
I’m sure they’ll get a podcast out when they’re ready. I prefer having something to look forward to, it’s not as if we don’t have PLENTY of time before the next episode.
Great stuff in here, the post and the comments. Two things I would like to mention.
The first is: Did Jacob touch Sun? I’m not whether he’s done that, at least I haven’t seen an screencap.
The second point is just an speculation: Should Richard be a crew in the Black Rock? Since he is in a long time in the island (thanks to Jacob). Another thing, Richard is always wearing Black, do you think he “works” for both Jacob and Smokey? (I’m assuming Jacob’s enemy is Smokey)
am i the only one that noticed that in the flashbacks in the last episode, juliettes flashback was the only one where jacob wasnt present or played a role, but in all the others he had affected the person in some way.
another thing….
in the beginning when jacob was having the conversation with his buddy on the beach, it was clearly obvious that his buddy was against the fact that people should be coming to the island because they fall into the same pattern of destrcution, yet for some reason jacob continually brings more people to the island.
one more thing…jacob brought john back from teh dead when he fell the 8 stories (or whatever he fell) when jacob touched him…
Shawnzy was right, you guys suck. Over two months without a podcast? I’ll bet your T-shirts are sold out!
Nobody seems to think as I do, that JACOB is the evil one who keeps bringing people to the iland for his personal self amusement. These actions are repulsive to the MIB and that is why he wants to kill him, to stop the evil cycle. The look of disgust on the fake John Locke’s face when he kicked him into the fire kind of reinforced that idea with me. Maybe I am wrong but Jacob seems to be going off island to select these poor people.
Does anybody have a clue about Frank’s role? He was supposed to be the one who was to pilote the OCEANIC 815 in the first place, remember? But what happened? And why is he back too? He must be important but I can’t figure the reason!
GREAT THEORIES BY THE WAY ; )